Sunday, July 19, 2026

The Creative World of Stan Kenton -The Rock Years - Part 7

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Kenton 70's music had many things in common with the bands of other eras including great soloists, great section leaders and a select number of arrangers who played a key role in shaping the orchestra's identity. 


But one thing that was different about Stan’s music during this period was the infusion of Rock ‘n Rock into the band’s book of arrangements.


In this chapter from his definitive Stan Kenton: This Is An Orchestra, the erudite Kenton-scholar Michael Sparke explains how this development, or, at least an attempt to do so, came about.


Kenton Goes Rock

(1973-1974)


“Bob Curnow was 31 when he joined the Kenton organization, ten years older than his first stint with the mellophonium orchestra in 1963, but still a young man. He was certainly young enough to have been influenced by the fusion music that had actually worked both ways, with a few of the rock bands like Chicago and Blood, Sweat and Tears injecting a little from the jazz idiom into their arrangements. Much as Bob might have preferred to get straight into writing for the band himself, his first, full-time task was to ensure the survival of Creative World Records.


At the same time, Bob's impossible instructions from Stan were to expand the label by recording other artists, so that CW was not dependent solely upon the Kenton orchestra. But Curnow had neither the experience, nor (more importantly) the finances to groom the better pop artists who helped subsidize the jazz and classical catalogs of the major companies; and popular jazz stars were not only expensive, but generally contracted to other labels. Curnow had little option but to feature new jazz talent, but if anything sells slower than established jazz groups it is little-known names, and after some few releases by such as Les Hooper and John Von Ohlen, this part of the project was abandoned, leaving Bob free to concentrate on obtaining a "hit" record by Kenton himself.


In consultation with Curnow, Stan was persuaded this could best be achieved through "fusion," a combination of jazz that he hoped would retain the regular fans, and rock to involve the younger generation. In other words, the music was to be dumbed down. Stan had little choice if Creative World was to remain operational, but at the same time his musical instincts resisted the change, so that he was never 100% committed. To live in two musical worlds at the same time is a precarious existence, but some artists had achieved the near-impossible, Miles Davis being the prime example.


Over the summer of 1973 the character of the band changed considerably. As Stan looked to implement his new policy, he commissioned Gene Roland to come up with a rock-oriented album while retaining the Kenton sound, seemingly overlooking (or possibly forgetting) Gene's previous failure at the same task. Although he traveled with the band for three months, Roland's glory days were long behind him, and he was no more successful in 1973 than he had been in 1966. Most of Gene's output was unceremoniously dumped, and only two titles made it onto the new album now coming together. "Those Roland compositions were not up to his earlier standard," observed Bob Curnow, "and that's why you don't hear them any more." But whether "Blue Gene" and "Country Cousin" were any worse than the other titles on 7.5 on the Richter Scale is a matter of opinion. Hank Levy hit "rock" bottom with "Down and Dirty," and even Hanna's band vocal version of "It's Not Easy Bein' Green" is embarrassingly bad. The two big "hits" were both melodically dire film themes: Curnow's "Live and Let Die" and Dale Devoe's adaption of "2001" reti-tled "2002—Zarathustrevisited" for copyright reasons.


7.5 on the Richter Scale was produced by Bob Curnow and largely conducted by Hank Levy, with seemingly minimum Kenton participation. "The album was done in a very hurried fashion in one of Wally Heider's small studios," commented Curnow. "It was a low-budget deal, and a lot of the music had never been played before the session, and that band was not at its strongest sight-reading. The change in style arose out of the Company's poor financial state—we were looking for something that would sell."

And set amongst all this dross was a single jewel that shone like a gem, an oasis in a desert wasteland. Marty Paich's vision of "Body and Soul" was orchestrated in the same classical style as his previous "My Old Flame," an almost cruel reminder in this setting of how fine the music of Stan Kenton could sound. "A beautifully crafted work of art," opined Mike Suter. "When 100 years down the road Kenton is rediscovered, 'Body and Soul' will be the representative of the last decade. It's fitting!"


There's a wicked irony in the fact Stan had set up Creative World in order to enjoy the freedom to record the music he wanted, and now economics were forcing him to compromise just as he had at Capitol. Although Stan's lack of judgment (the sacking of Clinton Roemer in the States, and the floundering Dutch subsidiary in which he held a 51% stake) was partly to blame, the band was now very dependent on university and college bookings. Every artist likes to bask in audience approval, and the rock charts created more enthusiasm from the kids than "Body and Soul" ever did. As final proof (if any were needed) that junk always sells better than serious music, Audree Coke confirmed: "7.5 on the Richter Scale was an attempt to appeal to a younger audience, and is turning out to be the biggest seller we have ever had."


Like most of us, Stan Kenton frequently changed his mind. In 1948 he had told Down Beat that strings produced a thrilling sound, but were definitely not for his band. In 1950 he had fronted the Innovations Orchestra, featuring a full 16-piece string section. The following quotes to me are also set two years apart:


Stan Kenton, February 22, 1973: "I've always felt that jazz is jazz and rock is rock, and I never felt that we should get into playing rock music."


Stan Kenton, February 6, 1975: "Rock rhythms are more exciting than the old-fashioned jazz rhythms. Rock rhythms have become fused with jazz, they're part of today's music, and there's no going back now."


But again like most of us, Kenton sometimes said things that were expedient rather than what he really believed. So was it a case that Stan had genuinely changed his mind, or more that he was making the best of a bad job? Lillian Arganian asked Hank Levy, who had already done more than anyone to introduce rock into the band, for his opinion. "He didn't believe in it that much," said Hank.


Trombone player Howard Hedges also told the story that whenever Levy submitted a chart that had "rock feel" written on it, Stan would rehearse the music and say he liked it, but would subsequently pass. Hank discovered that if he retitled the SAME CHART and inserted "Latin feel" instead, the music would make it into the book.


Some of the young musicians naturally liked the rock influence more than others. In Peter Erskine's view, "A good number of Hank's charts did employ 'backbeats.' Hank specified 'Jazz/Rock' and we played it as such, for better or worse—but the man's writing should not be indicted. Hank Levy was a lovely gentleman, and I know that Stan cherished their musical association."


A different view of Levy's music (and much closer to my own) was offered by Mike Suter: "Hank was a wonderful man. I loved him dearly— and loved is the word I have chosen after careful consideration. He was totally committed to jazz and jazz education. But he was NOT a good composer or arranger. His gimmick was time charts. For Kenton he stuck pretty much with 5/4 and 7/4 time signatures, probably at Kenton's request. But I've played many of his more 'adventurous' pieces, and they all share the same deficiencies as those he wrote for Kenton: they're predictable, forced, harmonically weak, and unimaginative. I hate to say all this because he was such a great guy. So incredibly supportive. But he was a college-level writer at best. That Kenton recorded so much of his music reflects just how far the band had declined in those last years."


At best, Stan's commitment to rock was half-hearted. "For one thing," observes Suter, "rock is a rhythm-based music led by the guitar, and the Kenton band had only three full-time rhythm players—drums, bass, and Latin percussion—but no guitar and only an occasional piano. Therefore any true rock was impossible. Both Stan and Hank were from an older generation, and neither had any real understanding of rock. In my opinion, Bob Curnow proved best at melding rock and Kenton."


The prospect of Stan Kenton playing rock piano was as preposterous as Benny Goodman trying to switch from swing to bop 25 years earlier, so Hank Levy and Dick Shearer tried to convince Stan to hire a younger pianist who would add the textures of electronic keyboards to the band. As Mike Suter recalls, "Stan was playing less and less, so many of the jazz players were looking for more support, and Hank had a kid he was high on who played synthesizer. Hank and Dick hatched the idea that this kid should join the band and play keyboard parts—synthesized piano on traditional tunes and more modern sounds on our version of rock—when Stan chose not to play.


"According to Dick, Stan wouldn't entertain the idea. Dismissed it out of hand. The fans would never accept another piano player. Stan simply said 'No,’ and that was it. Hank kept on to Stan, but Dick dropped out after the first time Stan said 'no.' Dick recognized the tone and stopped. He knew it was pointless —and maybe even dangerous—to continue. In my view and Dick's, the idea had merit. Synthesized sounds would have helped the inadequacies of what Hank wrote and called rock, and would have aided Curnow's music the most, because Bob was the best at reshaping music from the rock idiom to fit Stan's style. I don't remember Dick mentioning whether Curnow played any part in the effort to add a keyboard player. 

Personally, I'd bet Bob stayed out of it—no evidence, just a gut feeling."


Curnow confirmed he had no knowledge of the move at all, adding, "I never felt the necessity for a second pianist, and even if I had felt the need for electronic keys of some kind, I would NEVER have mentioned it to Stan. One didn't 'discuss' things with Stan very often. You made your (hopefully) well-thought-out suggestion, and then waited for his decision."


So (thankfully in my opinion—and that's phrasing it mildly!), the Kenton band never became a rock band, though it went far enough to alienate some older fans, but not far enough to really enthuse the rock generation. At concerts, the contemporary music like "2002" and "Live and Let Die" was interspersed with more traditional Kenton music, resulting in the very real danger that in trying to please everyone, you end up fully pleasing no one. 

Stan returned for an extensive tour of Europe in September 1973, its relative failure (especially in Germany) being attributed to "over-exposure"—this was the second visit to England in the same year—rather than a failure to connect with its core audience.


As often happened after an overseas tour, personnel changes took place once the band returned Stateside, among them John Park, who was forced to leave following a heart attack on October 10, soon followed by saxists Kim Park (John's step-son) and Mary Fettig, who had formed a relationship that allegedly resulted in pregnancy. Also given notice was Dale Devoe (trombone), whom Stan appreciated more for his writing than his playing. "2002" had been a sizable hit for the band, though it was the bossa nova-ish "Love Theme from The Godfather" that was the more musically attractive. Dale was a youngster just getting started, and probably wasn't best pleased that Stan had considerably simplified his arrangement when recording the 7.5 album, so that it emerges as effective but over-bland. Much more cutting-edge Kenton was Dale's "El Cordobes" (named after the Spanish bull-fighter) which Stan never saw fit to record. But Dale's biggest hit was "Roy's Blues" for Roy Reynolds, which remained in the book to the end. From Devoe's own account in Steven Harris' invaluable book The Kenton Kronicles, Dale's stay in the band was short but not always sweet, and he perhaps fits Bill Fritz' comment as well as any, that "The tragedy lies in the minds of those who join the band with great expectations, and end up dwelling on what might have been."


From producing one of CW's top sellers, Bob Curnow moved to one of its weakest: Solo—Stan Kenton without His Orchestra. Even the ever-prudent Audree Coke admitted, "The Solo album is selling rather slowly." The truth was, the fans had always adored Stan despite, rather than because of, his instrumental abilities, because as a jazz pianist Kenton didn't even reach the starting gate. There were literally hundreds of piano players in the business with more jazz feeling and rhythmic sense than Kenton brought to the keyboard.


By the Seventies, as his fingers stiffened, Stan was featuring his "concerto" piano style most extensively. Arrangers found their charts were more likely to be accepted if they included a piano solo, often as an introduction to the piece. Audiences appreciated this "hors d'oeuvre," an appetizer, knowing that the orchestra would soon come roaring in, and Kenton basked in this warm glow of affection. But remove the "main course"—the band—and an audience would soon have grown restless. Stan Kenton and his orchestra could fill New York's Carnegie or London's Festival halls. But be honest, how many "bums on seats" would a Stan Kenton Piano Recital have filled?


There had been suggestions for a Kenton piano album for many years, but Stan had always deferred, perhaps sensing it wasn't his greatest strength, and also because he invariably tensed up and became very apprehensive when recording solos. By all accounts Kenton suffered agonies during the sessions, and a hilarious compilation of out-takes that includes Stan's many expletives is a mind-boggling prize among serious collectors. Bob Curnow relates: "I remember when we first went to record at United and Western, the studio was in darkness, but a light from the control room was focused on this nine-foot grand—this big, black, Baldwin piano—and as Stan saw it he said, 'I feel like El Cordobes walking into the ring, and that's the bull!' And it was quite an experience, a real eye-opener. Some things Stan played beautifully, and some things he played terribly. A lot of times he didn't even remember his own compositions, and I had to go out and find the sheet music for things like 'Theme to the West.'"


For Kenton to record an entire album without even rhythm support was certainly a brave—some might say foolhardy—venture on his part. There's very little "jazz" on the completed album, and even then you are by no means hearing the music as Stan played it, as Curnow explains: "It was very hard. We recorded something like 11 hours of music, and then I took the tapes and edited those 11 hours down to 42 minutes. Every note on the album is Stan's, but it's a real patchwork quilt of many takes over many days on quite a few of the cuts. My memory tells me there were well over 150 intercuts and edits in the final album. I worked on it for an entire month before going back into the studio to put together the master. What a labor of love, with an emphasis on the LABOR part!"


The best summary of Solo that I have seen comes from Ed Bride on Kentonia: "To me, the Kenton solo album is more of a personal statement than great jazz piano-playing. You hear melodies of compositions that were played by the big band, and you get to think about what might be going on in his mind. He's talking to us. It's more personal than musical, at least to me."


The next musician to cause the greatest stir after John Park was also an alto sax player. Tony Campise joined in March 1974, the most "avant-garde" soloist the band had ever featured (and that includes Jay Daversa), giving rise to strong pro and anti opinions both inside and outside the orchestra. Kenton allowed Campise complete freedom of expression, and featured him at concerts on such disparate titles as "Inner Crisis" and "Street of Dreams" (from rock to ballad). I asked Stan how he found Tony compared with Park: "Campise's an exhibitionist and Park isn't. Campise has such tremendous technique he can't help but use it, and sometimes he plays too much. He'd take a lot of wild chances and scare guys to death, the things he'd get going on that horn. But he didn't play with the taste that Park played with."


Dick Shearer continues, "Campise probably knew more about saxophone than anyone I've ever heard in my life. Technically he knew how to do everything, and he could change styles: if he wanted to sound like Johnny Hodges or Lee Konitz or whoever, he could do that very easily. There were times when he'd be playing he'd do something like that just for the fun of it. Every time he played you didn't know what was going to happen. Tony had no inhibitions, whatever he felt, whatever he wanted to do, he did it. His lead playing was always fine, but I'm less sure whether his solos always fitted the style of the band.


"Tony was popular with the public, and sometimes he'd get these ethnic-type things going, where he'd talk like a Japanese, or he'd do his Mexican imitation. And he could literally talk backwards. He could speak what sounded like nonsense into a tape recorder, and when you played it the other way it came out as, 'Yes, my name is Tony Campise.' Tony's the type of person who could hear a language once or twice, and have the pronunciation down, whether or not he understood what was said."


Despite Campise's strong personality, Mike Suter insists this was the "John Harner band." John played lead trumpet through 1974-75, and according to Suter: "Brought phrasing and dynamics back to Stan's music. John willed the band to excellence and personally burnished the rough edges. I wish I knew how he did what he did, but I don't have a clue. He would decide to make a change, and somehow through his sound we were aware that a change was coming, and be ready. I'm afraid Stan's ambiguity towards John prevented him from recognizing his talent until it was too late. Great lead players only come along a few times, and Stanley blew it."


Following a successful if less than overwhelming tour of Japan in April, the band plunged into a brace of new scores written by Bob Curnow, a very diverse talent whose skills ranged from the traditional Anthems music to the fusion charts he saw as the best way for Stan to make contact with the younger generation. Bob's original concept had been an album featuring the music of Chicago, and another from Blood, Sweat and Tears, but Stan was never fully convinced. While he could endorse translating classical composers like Wagner into the Kenton idiom with composure, rock groups carried a certain stigma that he found impossible to overcome. Kenton ended up advising Bob to use some music by both groups on a single LP, and even that should be filled out with some original Curnow compositions. One senses Stan's lack of conviction from his comment (displaying more optimism than realism), "We used music made popular by Chicago because we felt it would call attention to the band and gain a lot of the younger listeners—and we've begun to believe now that we didn't have to do it, because the kids are coming to us in droves anyway."


Even post-Kenton with his interest in Pat Metheny's music, Curnow never wrote pure rock; at most his music might be described as "fusion," and the centerpiece of the Chicago album ("Chicago Suite III") veers towards jazz. As Mike Suter phrased it, "Bob was the best at melding rock and Kenton. He squeezed the music into the Kenton mold, writing great arrangements, let's say 85% Kenton and 15% rock, that worked. At the same time, the music itself, regardless of the arrangements, doesn't have the 'drama' that a Kenton piece should have." While I might quarrel slightly with Mike's percentages, he is right that the music isn't really strong enough to support 

Bob's imaginative arrangements, so that a sense of total fulfillment is lacking. Music from rock groups might be a workable basis to sell records, but it was never going to replicate the great Kenton achievements of the past. And the Chicago music had the disadvantage of seldom being played in public, according to Curnow because, " 'Chicago III Suite' was a very complicated piece of music. They played it for just a few months after the recording, and then stopped because Stan would get lost, and it'd get all screwed up. Stan was aware he wasn't as sharp any longer, and he couldn't do it justice. And that's why in the Seventies he allowed the arrangers to conduct their own things on the recording sessions whenever possible."


Kenton's deterioration since his operations was highlighted by Mike Suter: "The Stan Kenton I knew in 1974 was very different from the man I knew in 1963. His health problems had taken a huge toll. He still loved being a bandleader, standing in front of his brainchild. He still loved the Clinics, which to him wasn't just a way to rake in a few extra bucks—his belief and leadership in jazz education was for real. He even still loved the road. But he no longer had the drive, the energy, to be the front-running innovator he once was. He no longer drove the band as in earlier years; now the band drove him."


More to the taste of Kenton traditionalists (and possibly Stan himself) were the two Curnow original compositions, which showed no trace of rock influences. "First Child" is a sombre, sololess work, dedicated, Bob said, to his first-born son, replete with all the majesty one associates with Kenton music. "Rise and Fall of a Short Fugue" is more experimental, with weird Campise flute, written, Bob said, because "Stan wanted something which he could play every night and conduct differently. Originally the piece was constructed in such a way that there were different directions to work through, so that Stan could change tempos, appoint different soloists, and bring out the backgrounds behind the soloists at his bidding. That piece could comfortably go ten or twelve minutes, and be pretty interesting." But this recording is over all too quickly in just four, and the basic concept worked no better than it had with Russo's "Improvisation," resulting in the title soon being dropped from the repertoire.


Much was clearly expected from Curnow, as illustrated by these quotes to me:


Stan Kenton: "Bob Curnow is basically a brilliant composer and conductor, and he shouldn't be wasted running Creative World—he's got too much to say." (February 6, 1975)


Dick Shearer: "He's my brother! I think Bob is the new Johnny 


Richards—he's marvelous!" (February 18, 1975)


Audree Coke: "Bob is remarkable. He is talented, intelligent and totally creative, and he writes specifically and correctly for the Kenton band. Bob is the logical successor to Pete Rugolo." (February 19, 1975)


I asked Curnow why it didn't happen, and his simple explanation was that Stan eventually found him most indispensable running Creative World successfully, and there was no time to write as well, so the Chicago album was Bob's swan-song. (Two further titles were recorded in 1975, but left on the shelf.) Stan returned to relying on his two reliables Levy and Hanna (especially Hank) and a sprinkling of other writers, but never found anyone to replace Maiden. Fusion was lost in the shuffle, but Stan had no great ideas to replace it with, so that the band lacked a clear direction. It's a real potpourri on Fire, Fury and Fun, a pretty meaningless album title itself, and since Curnow's idea was to fashion an LP featuring the band's soloists, something drawing attention to that concept might have been more explanatory.


Stan's thematic piano is prominent (though not really a headlined soloist) on Levy's "Quiet Friday" (not so hushed during its rockier moments) and Hanna's "Montage." I appreciate Hanna's ballads are not universally regarded with the same admiration I have for them, but "Montage" is one of Ken's finest achievements, a dark, brooding work with a powerful theme that builds to a dramatic orchestral climax. Conducted by Curnow in Hanna's absence, the initial arrangement has been considerably simplified for recording purposes, yet still presented problems on the date. The recording log shows it took 14 takes to perfect "Montage," and Stan became tetchy, afraid the session would run into overtime he couldn't afford. During a break, Shearer gave Suter the nod to switch from tuba to bass trombone, because (said Mike), "The tuba part was just impossible, but in the end we never played 'Montage' again as good as we got it on the record." And they never went back to playing the original, superior orchestration again either!


The remaining pieces are more legitimately solo features, the "fun" presumably intended to come from Tony Campise's voice and flute on "Hogfat Blues," if you find pig-like noises masquerading as music amusing. A much more musical score comes from veteran arranger Chico O'Farrill for the conga drums of Ramon Lopez. Ramon told me he chose Chico based on his previous writing for Stan and Machito, and that he specified the congas should melt in and out of the music, rather than just being percussive. Chico slows the tempo mid-piece for a short piano spot which cleverly leads into the closing section, and as Lopez notes, "We made only two takes, and the band played so great we left it at that. Stan didn't like the original title 'Hit and Rum' [Ramon's favorite tipple], and elected to put my name on it instead."


The album's big hit was "Roy's Blues," which according to composer Dale Devoe experienced changes to its structure along the way. A basic blues chart of no great melodic worth, it was one of the few Seventies titles to really take the public fancy. Reynolds started out on baritone sax as heard here, the tone of which I preferred to the tenor he adopted in January 1975. Both Reynolds and the band soon grew tired with the monotony of the piece, and Suter relates, "We tried Roy on a lot of other charts, but none were as effective. Roy played 'Yesterdays' a few times, and it was beautiful. But the audiences didn't want to be touched, they wanted to be thrilled. The band was still playing it in '78, and the crowds still ate it up. It got one of the biggest reactions every night."


Peter Erskine certainly displays a great deal of "fire" on "Pete Is a Four-Letter Word." The piece is orchestrally structured, and is certainly not an endless drum solo, though whether Levy's score is better musically than Rugolo's for Shelly Manne almost 30 years earlier is a matter of opinion. "I think the feature was Stan's idea," said Erskine, "but I had no input into the chart's design or form, and it wasn't an easy tune to play—a bit 'left-handed' rhythmically. Typical procedure for the band at that time was to play a piece a couple of times (at most) in concert before the recording session, then go into the studio and scramble like crazy to get a decent take for the album, and then begin playing it nightly until the album came out."


Under these conditions, considering the inexperience of most of the band and Stan's loss of vigor since his illnesses, it's not surprising producer Bob Curnow worked under pressure. In a comment that showed how much Stan's attitude had changed since earlier times, Bob explained: "The Creative World albums were hard, especially in the post-production stage, because I had to go in and mix-out all the clams, and some of the solos were troublesome. More time should have been put into the recordings, and Fire, Fury and Fun was done in just two days: the band was in and out of the studio because they left Chicago after that real fast. Stan really left everything in my hands. He rarely expressed any interest in anything like the art-work or liner notes. On the sessions he rarely interfered or said anything. He'd leave it to me to decide whether we needed another take, and I always pushed for one more. I wanted that extra something that wasn't there yet, and that nearly always turned out for the best."


This look at Kenton’s music is to be continued and concluded in Part 8.







Wednesday, July 15, 2026

Stan Kenton - "Bogota"

 


The Creative World of Stan Kenton -The Ken Hanna Interview - Part 6

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“[During the Summer of 1941] The Rendezvous would close at midnight and a sextet (mostly from the Kenton band) would go down to a bar a block away called the Bamboo Room. It was owned and operated by the same guy who had the lease on the Rendezvous Ballroom, so we were always welcome.

They had a back room where the six of us could jam and a few people would sit and listen, no dancing. There was myself, Red Dorris, Jack Ordean, Chico Alvarez, drummer Mel Patterson and Ted Repay. Ted was a marvelous piano player. Stan had known him in the thirties and hired him for a while in 1942 to focus more on composing and arranging. He was really needed, as that band was going through a metamorphosis after Carlos Gastel got a hold of it. Ted relieved a lot of pressure from Stan. Playing the Bamboo Room was a kick and we did it all summer long. 

Almost every night, we'd walk past the Rendezvous on the way home, and it was always totally black except for one light. There's Stan, sitting in the dark at the piano, writing another arrangement which might be in front of us the next night. That'll give you some idea of the total effort the man put in. It was a remarkable achievement. He would work sixteen, eighteen hours a day, at least. That's one of the reasons why the man became so successful.”

  • Howard Rumsey, the first bassist in the Kenton Orchestra, 1941


“July 9,1943 


Dear Ken:

I know you are anxious to hear about the arrangements you sent, so here goes. We have rehearsed two...I HAVE FAITH and NOW WE KNOW. I want to sincerely tell you that I was stunned with the outcome. I liked them both very much. I changed two or three little voicings in the arrangements, but outside of that touched nothing. You actually have me enthused about the possibility of getting more from you.

I am going to return your score of I HAVE FAITH and put circles around the parts that I thought were exceptional. The arrangement will be broadcast this coming Wednesday over CBS on a show that comes out of here at 9:30 PMl. Try to listen in. If you want, I will have airchecks made of these tunes and have them sent to you so you may hear them played. We haven't been able to rehearse SUNDAY, MONDAY OR ALWAYS yet because of lack of time, but will get at it light away and I will let you know how it turns out. We never came to any agreement as to how much you were to receive for each score, so until then I will send you money on account until we come to some understanding.

It is hard to believe that you have improved like you have in the past year. I am taking the liberty of enclosing some tunes I would like very much to have. If it is alright with you, I prefer to stay on these ballads for the present...of course, Ken, I would be glad to get as many arrangements from you as possible, but will be thrilled if I only get one each week. You have probably heard about us getting the Hope show this tall and about signing for a picture at Paramount. Things are looking better than they have for some time.

As ever, 

Stan.”

  • As quoted in Steven Harris, The Kenton Kronicles [2000]


Kenton 70's music had something in common with the bands of other eras in that a select number of arrangers played a key role in shaping the orchestra's identity. Pete Rugolo, Bill Russo, Gerry Mulligan, Bill Holman, Lennie Niehaus, Johnny Richards, Joe Coccia, Dee Barton and many other “pencil pushers” [Gene Lees’ term] gave the band its signature sound as derived from the music they wrote for it from 1941 - 1969.


Ken Hanna, Willie Maiden and Hank Levy continued this tradition as the three principal arrangers for the band during the decade of the 1970s. Fortunately, they participated in interviews in which they shared their experiences about Stan and what it was like to write for the band.


The following interview with Ken Hanna appears in Lillian Arganian’s Stan Kenton: The Man and His Music [1989]. And while the focus of these look-backs is what was happening with Stan’s music in the 1970s, as you’ll see as you read the following interview, the relationships between Stan, Ken Hanna and Hank Levy reached all the way back to the 1940s formative years of the band.


“HANNA: When Stan formed the Neophonic Orchestra [circa 1965-1968], I called him and asked him if I could write something for it. I wrote Tiare. I thought that would be my swan song, the last thing I would ever write. But a couple of years later, something happened that led me back to Stan.


Lillian Arganian [L.A.]: What was that?


HANNA: I was shipwrecked in Mexico for a year. During that time, Stan and some other people sent me money to keep me afloat, literally. The boat and me.

L.A.: You're talking about literally shipwrecked or is this just a colorful way of speaking?

HANNA: Not at all. I was run aground in Mexico. Stan's A & R man, Lee Gillette, heard about it, and stopped in to visit me down there. He told Stan and they took up a little pool and sent me money. When I got back I went in to see Stan. He was putting a band together again and starting Creative World, making the break from Capitol. He said, "Why don't you go ahead and write something? Write Tiare.' You did for the Neophonic." I couldn't figure out what a tune like this would be doing on a dance album or in a dance band, but I wrote it. I knew what he was doing—he was just trying to get me off my butt. Then one day, I was clerking in a music store, just to keep the wolf away from the door, when I got a phone call from some guy in Cleveland. "Stan wants you to write for us." I was in Los Angeles, still living on a boat — not the one that got wrecked, but another one. Got a plane ticket, took off, joined Stan in Syracuse and stayed on the bus for two years.

L.A.: You had already written "Tiare" for the Neophonic Orchestra. What did he mean, write it again?

HANNA: Score it down for the dance orchestra.

L.A.: Was this the late sixties? 

HANNA: No, early seventies. 

L.A.:  Besides "Tiare," what did you write about that time? 

HANNA: "Bon Homme Richard."That was for Dick Shearer. All within a year or two of each other I wrote "Lonely Windrose," "Fragments of a Portrait," "Beeline   East," and  "Theme for Autumn." "Tiare" was actually first written in 1948.

L.A.: All of your compositions seem to have change built right into them — I think that's why Stan must have liked your style so much. They start off in a certain way and then there are all these different kinds of progressions-changes of tonality, rhythmic changes. They add to the color of the Stan Kenton sound.

HANNA: This was what he liked so much in the later years, the idea of making almost every tune a concert piece.

L.A.: They sound like concert pieces. 

HANNA: Sure. So that, if you didn't have something, or at least try to get something unique and unusual and different, in each arrangement, I don't think he was ever completely satisfied.

L.A.: Some composers cook with their material for years, and  some others seem to get it all in a flash. In your own case, how long would, say, something like "Fragments of a Portrait" have been cooking in your head before they played it?

HANNA: In advance? Not at all.

L.A.: You got right down and . . .

HANNA: Just sat down at the piano and, in the course of doodling around, just working on melody lines, why, I came up with that, and then gradually it evolved into a full lead sheet. And then from there on I made the arrangement.

L.A.: How long does it take to make the arrangement?

HANNA: That depends. If it goes really well you can do something maybe in three days. Somebody else can do it in six hours.

L.A.: When did you first start writing?

HANNA: I started copying records when I was about sixteen.

L.A.: Did you always want to be a musician?

HANNA: No. I wanted to be a baseball player.

L.A.: Until you were sixteen?

HANNA: Even after. In fact, I became captain of the Kenton softball team.

L.A.: You did! (Laughs.) There must have been a dividing point where you said well one of these has to be my career, and you chose music. 

HANNA: Well—it seems as though I was always winding up in music one way or another. Somebody would call or I would stumble into something that led to music. It was in and out. A lot of it depended on finances. 

L.A.: You got involved in it by listening to records and copying down what you heard, making arrangements, and you found that you enjoyed that? HANNA: Um-hm.

L.A.: How did you evolve into the kind of composer you are now, with all that imagination and invention and creativity?

HANNA: You don't start out with that. You get there by listening to all types of music, and by practicing, analysis, and reproduction. A lot of it is just plain old copy-work.

L.A.: Are there people you particularly admired in composing that you perhaps wanted to emulate, or that influenced you in some way?

HANNA: Certain classical writers I've always liked. The Romantics. People like Debussy, Ravel, Ibert. Stravinsky.

And every dance band that ever came along, when I was studying music and getting started. So I was soaking it up, even though I didn't know it. 

L.A.: Do you recall when you began to feel the urge or pull toward changing around the tonalities and the time structure in your compositions? I'm thinking of a work like "Beeline East," where, instead of playing the exact same thing all the way through for three minutes, it comes to a point where it slows down: "Ba-ba-BA-Bah!" and then you modulate it to a different tonality and pick up the tempo again.

HANNA: Kenton wanted every tune to be concert-length, so we'd be playing as a five- or six-, seven-minute number what other dance bands would be playing as a three-minute arrangement. Hank Levy's things run nine minutes. 

L.A.: So this was because he wanted pieces that were more concertized? HANNA: He wanted spark, he wanted the whole works. On every arrangement. If it wasn't strong, it couldn't get played.

L.A.: Do you have a favorite chord structure or arrangement that you use to experiment? 

HANNA: No. There are patterns that you get into. You don't mean to; you don't want to. But you get used to doing the same thing and pretty soon you say hey — Did I write that? And you go look up and see what you did two or three years ago, and your tune might be pretty close to the same thing. You might have written it twice, and didn't know it. 

L.A.: What would be a typical pattern for you? You do a lot of different things. 

HANNA: My patterns, my devices - like any arranger's — are always pretty much the same. I like to write for trombone solo, for example. Maybe because I played trombone originally, before switching to trumpet. 

L.A.: Dick Shearer and Mike Suter were kidding about you. They were saying how difficult it is for a trombone player to play whole notes because they run out of oxygen, and pretty soon the band is here and they're in Hawaii. And one of them said "Ken Hanna lives!" They found your music beautiful, but somewhat challenging to play because of the wind problem. 

HANNA: Good.

L.A.: (Laughs.) You don't care about that, do you. "Play it anyway, buddy." HANNA: Stan never cared about it. He said, "Play it."

LA.: They're not the only ones who said that.

HANNA: Trumpet players—they hated me.

L.A.: Why did they hate you? 

HANNA: Too many notes, too high, too long. 

L.A.: Too high?

HANNA: Um-hm. That was their complaint. But somebody else's come along and give them the same thing, and they'd say, "Hey, Great." But remember, I wrote a lot of ballad things. And I would be thinking one tempo, which would be a reasonably playable tempo, and Stan would then slow it down to a crawl.

L.A.: (Laughs.)

HANNA: That means the notes get longer. Oh yeah.

L.A.:  Well  you're  not  to  blame. (Laughs.)  Kenton has said that you wrote most of the romantic ballads.

HANNA: Ya, well he liked to tag people with different titles, you know, so it was a good way for him to present me. On the ballad side.

L.A.: But ballads aren't the only thing you did.

HANNA: I guess I probably lean that way more than any other.

L.A.: "Bogota," I'm thinking of. On the London record.

HANNA: Most of what we recorded over in London that was mine had to be

thrown out, because the recording quality was so poor. I've written lots of

things that were never recorded, a lot of things that were never played. Stan was very unusual in that we always knew whether or not our arrangements were going to get played.

L.A.: How did you know that? 

HANNA: At rehearsals Stan would let the arrangers and composers rehearse their own works. You could tell after the first hour. You just had a way of sensing it, that he liked it or he didn't like it. In the earlier days, in the forties, we would rehearse and rehearse and tunes would get played until they worked in. You had to take time to work tunes in. It takes time for an arrangement to jell. We worked our tails off to make sure that the arrangements were right, and a lot of them he really rammed home. In the later days it never happened that way. It was a weird change to see. 'Cause I was there both times.

L.A.: In the later days he wouldn't give it

time to jell?

HANNA: I remember one guy wrote six or eight arrangements, originals, for a record date. Stan rehearsed them for two days, picked them all up, and threw them into the trash basket. With a few choice words.

L.A.: You first met Stan, then, in the forties?

HANNA: I guess the first time I really became aware of Stan Kenton would be in 1941, when we listened to air checks coming from Balboa. 

L.A.: What is an aircheck? 

HANNA: That was the popular name used for half-hour and hour segments of the band playing from some ballroom, sometimes on transcription, sometimes direct, that were broadcast on the air, sometimes nationally. Every band had a special night.

L.A.: The exposure for the Stan Kenton band must have been terrific. I understand people would stay tuned to their radios for news of the war, and when the East Coast stations went off the air the Pacific Coast stations came in. 

HANNA: He had a clear field. Stan came to my home town, Baltimore, in 1942, for a night club date. I had a band of my own then, and one of my musicians wanted to try out with Stan. He didn't make it, but he told me that Stan was looking for a writer. That's where my first love was. Always has been. So I went to the club and introduced myself to Stan. He suggested that I try doing a couple of sample arrangements and bring them to a rehearsal. This was a very unusual thing because I'd been turned down by everybody, practically.

L.A.: I can't believe it. 

HANNA: Harry James . . . 

L.A.: I can't believe it. 

HANNA: Sammy Kaye . . .

L.A.: Why would they turn you down? 

HANNA: In those days they didn't give you much of an opportunity to get your foot in the door.

L.A.: Why didn't they like your kind of music? I think it's fabulous. 

HANNA: They'd never heard it. 

L.A.:   They hadn't heard it, but they wouldn't give you a chance anyway? HANNA: No. No, they had their own writers, their own pet way of going, and you just, it was very difficult to enter into the writing end at all. In those days I would have written anything, for free, just to hear it played. So Stan was good enough to say, "Write something and let me hear it and bring it into our rehearsal."

L.A.: Was he merely looking for something new, or did he specifically need a writer at the time?

HANNA: He needed a writer. His other writers were back on the Coast, and he was doing his own writing. He wasn't really satisfied with the people who had been doing his writing for him. It didn't fit the sound that he wanted.

L.A.: The strain that you're talking about, that he was looking for, I can hear in your music. How is it that what you write sounds like what Stan wants to

hear? Were you already writing in what we might call a Stan Kenton style, which he recognized and loved, or did you join the band first and then figure out what he wanted?

HANNA: I had an advantage of sorts. I did an awful lot of copying records in

the early days of my writing. I would take these arrangements off the record

to use in my own band.

L.A.: How do you do that?

HANNA: You sit down, with a lot of patience . . .

L.A.: You can hear all that?

HANNA: Yes.

L.A.: You can hear what everybody's doing on a record?

HANNA: You have to go slowly. You work with a piano and make the chords and the melody structure and so forth. So having done that often enough I could duplicate the sounds of Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Stan Kenton—you name it, I could come pretty close to the style that they had. And so in that way I was able to maybe jump in there and get his sound. L.A.: Was the music you were writing for your own band substantially different from what you did for Stan? 

HANNA: I was writing pretty much in the style of what you could say was standard dance bands in those days. Once in a while I took a crack at trying to do an original tune. It was a long time before I had the courage to really get in and write any of my own material. 

L.A.: That started when you joined Stan's band?

HANNA: A little bit prior, but mostly with Stan and then on. 

L.A.:  What  were  those first  two arrangements you did for him? 

HANNA: I don't remember exactly. They were standards, one ballad and one rhythm tune. They had the Kenton sound because I used that same type of voicing, particularly in the saxes. He seemed  to be very pleased with the results, and that led to our keeping in contact with each other. By mail, usually, or phone. As long as he was on the East Coast, he would send me tunes, and I would arrange them, whether for the

vocalists or for the band, and send them back to him.

L.A.: In other words, you did not join Stan's band per se at that time? HANNA: No. I was going to, but all of a sudden Uncle Sam was right behind me. So I enlisted in the Navy, and that postponed my joining the band for three and a half years. Stan and I had an agreement all during the war years that I would keep writing for him and send him the tunes. I was stationed in Baltimore, so that was fortunate. I had a piano, and one solid location where I could do all the work. So we kept in touch with each other. And I would go out and catch the band whenever they were close to Baltimore.

L.A.: When you joined, did you play in the band too, as well as write? HANNA: Oh yes. In 1946 1 joined on trumpet. I stayed for two years, then went back to Baltimore and taught for two years at the GI School of Music. L.A.: What did you teach? 

HANNA: A little bit of everything. Whatever somebody else didn't want to do, I did. I had orchestras to conduct, such as state bands, and taught arranging, composing, a little bit of theory

L.A.: What do you teach, when you teach arranging?

HANNA: Everyone's talent and ability and understanding is at a different level. First thing you start out with is a grounding in theory. And build up from there to the use of chords and melodic lines and an understanding of transposition. During this time Stan had his Innovations Orchestra on the road, and when he passed through Baltimore he said "Why don't you come out to the Coast? I'm gonna put the dance band back together and you can start writing again." So I packed up, bag and baggage, and brought the family out here. Since then it's been my home. In 1951 I went back to work for Stan for not quite a year, while he was putting the dance band together. But he had quite a few people writing for him then, Shorty Rogers and others, and he had as much music as he could use at that time. So in order to keep the family together I became a salesman, a purchasing agent, I did a little bit of everything. A few years later some friends of mine talked me into putting a band together out here. We spent a couple of years rehearsing it and cut a couple of recordings with it. I wrote "Bogota" for that band. We played a few dates locally, up in L. A. 

L.A.: Then what happened to it?

HANNA: Money. Money happened to it. I got out of that and didn't do any more writing until the Neophonic. That's when I went back and called Stan and asked if I could write something for him.

L.A.: And that was "Tiare." 

HANNA: That was "Tiare." 

L.A.: What are some of the things you wrote for Stan in the earlier period? HANNA: I remember vividly, the first original I did for Stan was about 1948, and that was "Somnambulism." 

L.A.: The Progressive Jazz era. That's great.

HANNA: We were doing concert pieces then. He was getting into it in a big way. Where we all wore the ascots. I did quite a few arrangements backing up June Christy, and, in the early days, Anita O’Day and Red Dorris. 

L.A.: Are you still writing? 

HANNA: Yes, I'm free-lancing and doing a little bit of teaching. Every once in a while I'll do a semester up here at San Diego State.

L.A.: Whom are you free-lancing for? 

HANNA:  Anybody that  happens to need some music at the time. Groups, singers, big dance bands. 

L.A.: Why don't you do something on your own, form another orchestra or something? You're a wonderful composer. Your music should get more of a hearing.

HANNA: It might surprise you to know that I tried desperately about 1971 or '72 to get my own band together. Another one. I was hoping to go out and play a lot of the music that Kenton never played, actually. 

L.A.: That you wrote that . . .

HANNA: That I wrote, that other people wrote. 'Cause we had tons of music coming into that band that was never heard. Literally. 

L.A.: I've often wondered about that. With so many full-time arrangers and composers on the Kenton band at any given time, and so few pieces ever getting on record, one has to wonder what became of all the rest of the music that was written. Where is it, what happened to it. It'll never be heard, and that's terrible.

HANNA: Well I was very frustrated about the whole thing because doing the clinics I knew we had a choice of an awfully good bunch of good musicians. Excellent musicians. 

L.A.: You mean students? 

HANNA: Students. College, university people. They knew what they were doing. In fact a lot of them later on came to play with the Kenton band. Out of those clinics. And I wanted to put together a band  composed of those

people. I had a list seven miles long of people who wanted to get into it. I

wanted to put a band out on the road. But Stan blocked me every step of the way.

L.A.: Why is that?

HANNA: Expense.  I'm pretty sure, primarily expense.

L.A.: You mean you wanted to put it together for yourself or for him?

HANNA: For myself.

L.A.: But he was opposed to the idea because he thought you'd go under?

HANNA: Yes, I think that was the basic reason.  He probably felt he couldn't help me financially, and where that kind of money would come from was anybody's guess, because by that time it was beginning to get a little bit expensive to take a band out on the road. 

L.A.: What are some of your compositions that are not on recordings? HANNA:  "Sensitive"  has  been recorded, I'm pretty sure, but I don't think it's been released. "Turido" I don't think has been released. "No Media Noche.""Montiya.""Morea." 

.A.: What kind of composition is "Morea"?

HANNA: Supposedly representative of the South Seas.

L.A.: Is it in classical style like your other works?

HANNA: It's got a little bit of classical form to it, but written for a dance band. "Westwind'' is a ballad I wrote that ties in with "Morea." It's part of a suite I tried to do, dealing with the South Pacific. "Sensitive" is a theme for trombone and piano, with the full band, "Querida." "Serapo." "Lazy Tiger." And I've done arrangements for "You Go To My Head," "This Is All I Ask," "You Must Believe," "Snowfall," "Wave," "The Song Is You," "Send in the Clowns" — not the recorded one, that's Dave Barduhn's — "Autumn in New York," and "Summer Knows."

L.A.: That's a pretty wild arrangement you did of "What Are You Doing the Rest of Your Life" that opens the London album. Just sensational. I guess that's on the Brigham Young album too, isn't it.

HANNA: Yes. Macumba Suite is also on Brigham Young. 

L.A.: Hank Levy's compositions are on some of the same albums as yours. You and he were good friends, weren't you? 

HANNA: You better bet your boots. He played in my band the first job he ever got, back in Baltimore.

L.A.: How did you meet him? 

HANNA: We needed a saxophone player. He was the only one in town that had a baritone. So I hired him. We were always close from then on. Later, when I was stationed in Baltimore, I recruited him for the Navy.

L.A.: Is that doing him a favor? (Laughs.)

HANNA: (Laughs.) He came into the Navy, and I happened to be there. 

L.A.: Did you influence each other? 

HANNA: No. I don't think I had an influence on him. Although he played in my orchestra, I don't recall that he ever wrote anything for me at the time. It wasn't until he got into the Navy that he started writing. We were both interested in the same type of music. He was playing Kenton arrangements even in my band. I was out here on the Coast writing for Stan when he got out of the service, and I got him a job playing with Stan. He took Bob Gioga's place. Stayed for a few months, then left for family reasons. During that time he started writing for Kenton a little bit. Then later he got to writing for other orchestras back in Baltimore, and got into his business of school stage bands, writing for them.

L.A.: He's very important in the clinics, isn't he? Really believed in them. HANNA:  He's tremendous  with  the students. He's fabulous. 

L.A.: You must have been a popular favorite when you went up to his college, Towson State, because of your friendship with him.

HANNA: Well no, he had so much going on there, and the Kenton band was so overwhelming to the students. Everybody got along with everybody; it wasn't a question of who had any more influence.

L.A.: It was really exciting to the students? It wasn't just a week away from home?

HANNA: They'd go out of their minds working. Never stopped from morning 'til night. They had to be recommended by their teachers to get there in the first place. We would mail out flyers to let them know about it at the different schools in each area. 

L.A.: Most of them knew about the Stan Kenton Orchestra and what they would be getting into, and that was why they came?

HANNA: Oh absolutely. 

L.A.: Would you ever get feedback as to how these clinics might have affected their lives?

HANNA: I've had some very good people who are turning out very good

arrangements whom I hope we might have helped in some way. But you can only do so much in a week. The arranging thing is tricky; it's not like, say, a trumpet section where if a guy has problems you can straighten him out pretty fast. Incidentally, the clinics were very well supervised. The big ones, like at Drury, Towson State and Redlands, would have gone on for years longer if Stan had been able to continue. 

L.A.: Did Stan have a favorite among your compositions?

HANNA: If he did it would have to be between "Tiare" and "Bogota." 

L.A.: When you rejoined him in the seventies, how long did you stay? HANNA: Almost until his death. Stan and 1 have always been very close. Twice when he was sick I went out and fronted the band. We were out there sometimes for about three months. It was a matter of just getting on and off the bus and doing the date where we were and trying to explain to all the promoters where Stan wasn't. 'Cause we didn't let anybody know. The band would have been down the drain. Promoters would have cancelled like flies. So we kept it going during those periods of his illness. Actually, for quite a while, maybe a year, the band wasn't really in existence. He was that ill. He kept going as long as he could, and then he just had to call it quits.

L.A.: What most impressed you about him? What do you feel was his biggest contribution to music? 

HANNA: (Pauses.) You know you're asking for an awful lot there. I can't wrap up anything like that. One thing that was so fantastic about him throughout most of his years was his memory.

L.A.: For people?

HANNA: For people, for anything. Now that doesn't sound like it fits into a music situation. But I'll give you ten to one that if Stan hadn't had that fantastic memory, he might have been long forgotten. He made more friends by having such a fantastic memory. I met him, spoke to him for about fifteen minutes and came back three days later — he remembered my name. First name and last name. That's the thing that struck you. He would go back, year after year, to different places, where he'd played before, and he'd talk to a guy and say "Hi, Jack, how are you?" It would be Jack. Another thing was his ability to dramatize the music. Six-foot-four, arms like an eagle's wings — watching him conduct, he'd be all over the place.

That was very dramatic. And that helped put the music across. 

L.A.: Brought out some more of the excitement that was already there. HANNA: Ya. People'd look at that and they'd think, Wow,

L.A.: What about his impact on the American musical scene? 

HANNA: I've heard other people say, and I agree with it, a lot of the voicings that they use now in television and movies, radio and bands, other bands, those voicings were not being used at all, the sound and the scope of the sound, until he started doing it. For so many years, the saxes in every dance band in the country played 1-2-3-4, and if you had a fifth, he doubled the lead. Wrote the score right down the chord. Always. Never any change. You could see a little of that branching out in the Miller sax section, where the saxes would open every once in a while. But Stan opened 'em up fast, and big. He opened up the brass. It couldn't get too big for him. And dimension. Every time he'd add a new man he was adding another dimension to it.

L.A.: That's adding an interval to the harmonic structure? 

HANNA: Um-hm. Um-hm. Um-hm. 

L.A.: Like a seventh or a ninth or a tenth? Something dissonant.

HANNA: It's not his alone — those devices have been used throughout the years by some of the classical writers. I don't know how far back we can go, but you'll hear it in recent classical writers. He got more out of a dance band than had been tried. He heard certain sounds. When I first joined the band, we all used vibrato. When I was last with the band, nobody used vibrato. He wanted that cold, icy feel of.... He was fishing a lot. Trying to find the right sound for his sax section. He never did find it. Probably the guy who came closest was Lennie Niehaus. And the ones he did himself. But at least we got into voicings in the saxes that were different from what other bands were using. 

L.A.: You've obviously made sacrifices yourself to stay with music, just as Stan did. So you have something in common with him. Given the choice, he would get experimental, and it seems to me that there's some of that in you too. 

HANNA: Sure there is. Anybody who writes music, I'm sure, feels a certain amount of satisfaction from hearing his own work. You get up there in front of a band and rehearse your own music — it never sounds exactly like you expected it to. That's the biggest thrill of all.”