"Woody Herman also hired a few different arrangers. Johnny Mandel was not only a very good bass trumpet player, but I think he also started a different style of writing jazz arrangements; he didn't write riff after riff. His arrangement of "Not Really the Blues" went on like a suite. It just went on and on and hardly ever repeated any phrases. That was a style that Johnny started and later people like Bobby Brookmeyer and Bill Holman picked up on." - Terry Gibbs