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Wednesday, September 8, 2021
Al Cohn and Zoot Sims at The Half Note [From the Archives]
Saturday, December 12, 2020
Phil Woods on Al Cohn
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The following excerpts are from Dr. Larry Fisher’s extensive 1988 interview with alto saxophonist and band leader Phil Woods [1931-2015] on the subject of Jazz saxophonist and composer-arranger Al Cohn [1925] who had just passed away that year.
It was conducted on the campus of East Stroudsburg University which is the home of the Al Cohn Memorial Jazz Collection.
The full interview appears in the Summer/Fall 2020 issue of The Note Magazine and you can make a contribution in support of the Foundation that underwrites the magazine and the collection via this link.
Phil and Al are two of the universally recognized giants of the Jazz scene during the second half of the 20th century. In Phil’s case, his contributions continued until his death in 2015. There’s nothing like a Jazz musician who knows what he’s talking about when it comes to describing what makes a cohort’s approach to the music significant and special.
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“LF: What can you tell me about Al's personality?
PW: Funny, funny, funny guy.
LF: Do you have any favorite stories about him?
PW: Well I have one I just heard. Somebody asked him if he played "Giant Steps" and he said, "yes but I use my own changes." If you're a musician and know "Giant Steps" it's god damn hysterical. A favorite one I like is: supposedly he was watching a baseball game in a bar and somebody said, "what's the score Al?" He said, "ten to one" and somebody said, "who's winning?" and Al said, "ten!" Ah, the famous one is when he was in Scandinavia. They have a beer in Denmark and it's very strong. A couple of those will knock your socks off. It's called Elephant Beer, and somebody said, "Al have you tried the Elephant Beer?" Al said, "No, I drink to forget!" I mean he was so fast.
LF: I find that many musicians that have great improvising skills with their horns are also very quick with their wit.
PW: You'd be surprised some of them don't have a sense of humor, but most of them do. Zoot was also very witty and very quick and very dry. Zoot was drier than Al. Al was always into jokes, I mean he always had a joke. But not so much after Zoot died. I remember Al said to me one time, "life isn't so funny any more," and I knew what he meant. But that didn't stop him from telling jokes.
LF: Do you think that those recordings he made with Zoot will be remembered more than any others?
PW: Oh yeah. "From A to Z" and those albums for anybody that knows their stuff. You're darn tootin. Or stuff that he did later, especially like the solo stuff he did with just Jimmy Rowles and Al playing. That's a beautiful album. Just the two of them playing for some of that. And that's the real salon chamber of music. There is nothing quite as good as those two guys together (Al and Zoot).
LF: What musicians do you think influenced Al more than anyone else?
PW: Lester Young, Charlie Parker, Louie Armstrong for sure. Not necessarily in that order. Also Ben Webster and Coleman Hawkins, Prez, I think, would be the key, but not the sole influence. Al listened to everybody. Towards the end, a lot of Duke. He was really into Duke.
LF: Historians like to put labels on players. Would you say Al's style was more Swing or Be-Bop? How would you describe it?
PW: Oh he was Swing. He was close to, I mean just a little before Bop. It was a very modern Swing. He was right between Lester Young and Charlie Parker in which he utilized the best of the elements that fit for him. You've got to remember that Al had consummate harmonic sense. He was a fine pianist. He was very sophisticated. One of his songs, "Tain't NoUse," uses the beginning of Petrushka or was it Firebird? I forget, maybe I got my Stravinsky wrong but it's nice chromatic harmony. A direct quote from Stravinsky. He was extremely erudite in his approach to all the music. I think he went with a Lester Young swing but he adapted quickly to the new harmony in the extended altered chords. It was no big deal to Al to think that way, but as a musician he knew how to play changes, man.
LF: What made Al and Zoot's recordings so special to everyone?
PW: Oh because they were just so special. It was just a wonderful tandem team. They both had similar roots. Al perhaps had a stronger harmonic root, Zoot perhaps a stronger swinging root. Put them together and you had the best music possible improvised at that moment.
LF: Do you think they expressed their different personalities in their playing?
PW: I think everybody has a different personality. Al had his harmonic sophistication and Zoot his rhythmic sophistication. They both played hip changes and they both swung, but Al could play the piano and knew more about chords. Zoot had more of an instinctive rhythmical sense.
LF: Do you think their sense of humor came out in their playing?
PW: Well I roomed with both of them. They were both extremely funny.
LF: How would you show humor in playing?
PW: Any number of ways, by obscure quotes you would do on your horn which they would do sometimes accidentally. I remember on one New Year's Eve broadcast from the Half Note Zoot, instead of going into "Auld Lang Syne" went into "Happy Birthday" I was on tour with Zoot in Russia. I mean rooming with Zoot in Russia is truly amazing. Everybody said your rooms are going to be bugged and I looked at Zoot and I said they won't know what the hell we're talking about anyway.
LF: Many musicians have played the tenor saxophone. In your opinion is there anything specific that is unique about Al's playing or his approach to the instrument?
PW: Yeah, it was Al Cohn. Words can't describe it, his musical sound speaks for itself. The most important part of course is that all the great players have a distinctive sound. When you heard a tenor sax you simply said, "that's Al, that's Zoot, that's Lester, that's Ben Webster," that's what comes first. All of the swing and the harmony and all that comes later. First you got to have a distinctive sound otherwise it sounds like cookie cutter jazz like so many of the younger players. I mean they all sound the same. They use the same mouthpiece, the same reed, the same set up. Al had a sound, a distinctive sound.
LF: A beautiful, rich sound.
PW: Big, and when he got his new false teeth towards the end he was getting louder and higher. And he was practicing more and more. Steve Gilmore, my bass player lived close to Al. Al went out and bought a four-wheel drive with a little snow plow in front and he'd go over and he'd plow Steve out but he'd have his tenor in the back. And in return Steve would have to play like, "All The Things You Are” in the key of E. I mean when Al wanted to practice, he'd go by Steve's house and he'd play stanzas but he'd play them in any key possible. A Major, five sharps, 10 sharps, 15 sharps, whatever. That, to him, was working out. I guarantee it. That's no mean feat. But Gilmore told me that which I think is very interesting: "He would plow you out but you had to play in E with him!"
LF: Al was not as well known as Zoot Sims or some of the other tenor saxophonists of that time. Why?
PW: Perhaps because Zoot toured more. Zoot toured a lot for Norman Grantz and had a lot more exposure. He did more records under his
own name.
LF: You said before that Al didn't really tour that much was that because he liked to write more?
PW: Al wrote. Al liked to write. It wasn't a matter of writing but it was just a quicker way to make a buck. It was good money and he had a family to raise and all other responsibilities for a young family man and this kept him in New York and he was a New York guy. I mean who wants to go off on a bus when you have the best of both worlds: write all day and play all night which is a lot of time what he actually did.”
Sunday, November 1, 2020
Pure Jazz Incarnate: A New Look at Al and Zoot in London by Simon Spillett
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For Simon Spillett I would imagine that the next best thing after playing his tenor saxophone is talking and writing about other Jazz tenor sax players, in this instance, two of the greatest to ever play the instrument - Al Cohn and Zoot Sims.
On the sidebar of the blog you’ll see a listing of “writerly attributes according to Gary Giddins” and in his essays on Jazz, Simon always manages to tick off a number of them.
Based in the UK, he leads his own quartet and big band and - speaking of great tenor saxophonists - he is Tubby Hayes’s biographer. You can locate more information about him by visiting his webpage.
It’s always a pleasure and a privilege to host his thoughts on Jazz and its makers on these pages.
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Al and Zoot in London: Harkit HRKCD 8567
“For some, the arrival of American tenor saxophonists Al Cohn and Zoot Sims at Ronnie Scott's club in early June 1965 couldn't have come soon enough. By the middle-1960s, the envelope of “modern” jazz was being pushed to breaking point, both in the US and the UK, and to Scott his two visitors that summer represented the perfect antidote to all the Coltrane and Ornette-inspired “freedom”. Writing in Melody Maker, he described Al and Zoot as “their own men, concerned with a brand of jazz music that is to do with swing, melodic invention, good sounds.”
Scott had long been an admirer. Indeed, he had chosen Sims as the first soloist to inaugurate his club's policy of importing US guest artists four years earlier. When he returned again in late 1962, Sims brought his long-term confederate Cohn with him, upping the musical ante and delighting all those who'd admired the two-tenor team on record.
“Zoot and Al were pure jazz incarnate,” remembers saxophonist Peter King, one of many London musicians drawn to the Americans' feel-good orbit. “They loved to play, respected Stan [Tracey]'s trio and positively relished working with it. They swung their asses off night after night and had a ball, falling in love with England, the admiring audiences and the excellent musicians they met here.”
Putting the visitors on record together with their UK counterparts was a logical next step, an exercise in mutual admiration masterminded by British saxophonist Jack Sharpe, a player who did a great deal to make life comfortable for touring American jazzmen. Indeed, he'd already produced three London-made recording sessions featuring a visiting US soloist, Duke Ellington star Paul Gonsalves (one of which Change of Setting, co-led by Tubby Hayes can be heard on Harkit HRKCD 8561). His fourth such effort, again taped at Lansdowne Studios in Notting Hill Gate, this time on the afternoon of Sunday June 27th 1965, was designed to showcase Cohn and Sims alongside their regular Scott club accompanists, Stan Tracey, bassist Rick Laird and drummer Jackie Dougan and two further guests, Peter King and Sharpe himself.
Once again, Sharpe leased the resulting master to the mail-order only World Record Club, who issued the finalised LP as Al and Zoot in London in late 1967. Despite receiving some enthusiastic press reviews, including a glowing appraisal in Melody Maker, which noted the albums “highly professional jazz...concerned with form and coherence...and a belief that jazz should communicate with the paying customer”, the LP quickly went out of print. Having also never received a US release, it soon became one of Cohn and Sims most sought-after recordings.
Although Albert McCarthy's sleeve notes to the original record provided a useful précis of Cohn and Sims careers to date, they were less transparent on the specific aspects of the session itself. Fifty years on since its initial release, this new Harkit reissue (the albums début on CD and in glorious stereo to boot) provides a welcome opportunity not only to appreciate this music afresh, but also to reveal some more of its background.
As with his previous recordings centred upon Paul Gonsalves, Jack Sharpe had made the artistically healthy decision of utilizing a shuffling pack of players and arrangers. Indeed, despite McCarthy's sleeve note claim that “most of these tracks feature a four piece sax section, with the scoring presumably done by Cohn,” there is actually far greater variety, both instrumentally and compositionally. For example, Zoot's Tune (a retitling of a piece by Cohn named Fast when first recorded in the company of Sims and Stan Getz in the late 1940s) and Mr. George (another Cohn original dedicated to a verbally enthusiastic fan present at many Cohn/Sims performances at New York's Half Note club) are by a quintet line-up featuring the two American tenorists and the Tracey trio. Peter King makes up a three-tenor frontline on Shoft, while the remainder of the tracks swap instrumentation from a standard alto, two tenors, baritone sax section to a “Four Brothers” three tenors, one baritone set-up.
Fortunately, the music remains focused regardless of these shifts. Nor is there a palpable change of pace as the baton changes hands between the various composers and arrangers. Stan Tracey contributes two themes – a lilting waltz, Haunted Jazzclub, first recorded by Ronnie Scott in 1961, and Cockle Row, excerpted from his recently taped (but not then released) classic Under Milk Wood, a performance made all the more remarkable for hearing Cohn and Sims essaying material hitherto thought of as the sole property of the late Bobby Wellins, a close friend of both men. The spirit of Under Milk Wood is also strongly felt in one of Peter King's two contributions. As King remembered it in his autobiography (Flying High: A Jazz Life and Beyond, Northway Publications, 2011), he had been asked to write something for the album but “as usual, I left it to the last minute and ended up writing non-stop for a whole day and a night. I was still copying parts in the studio, on the session. I never even got around to giving the tunes titles. When the record was finally released, Jack Sharpe had named them.”
One suspects that King may have had a helping hand from Tracey too; Pete's Tune No. 2 moves from a gorgeous sax section introduction to a stark modal vamp that sounds eerily close to Tracey's Starless and Bible Black. Hearing Sims and Cohn – who is especially inspired here – improvising on such “modern”-sounding turf is intriguing, although sadly the performance is faded to a close rather than carried through to a proper climax.
The day of the session had proved especially eventful for King. Then deep in the throes of heroin addiction, he had also used what he called “masses of cocaine” to keep awake. Later that day, following a gig of his own, he was due to celebrate the success of the recording at a party in Jack Sharpe's flat, also attended by Cohn and Sims, but on the way there was involved in a car crash. “I arrived at the party with my head still bleeding, and feeling like a total idiot. Al and Zoot were there, wondering what the hell happened.”
Regardless of the personal dramas surrounding the session, Al and Zoot in London remains a classic – a rare on-record meeting between a perfectly matched Anglo-American musical alliance. All of its headliners virtues are on display: Sims' ability to levitate a band with his unwaveringly joyous sense of time; Cohn's marriage of rhythmic brinkmanship and harmonic daring, and their partnerships conjoined dedication to making music that, as Melody Maker put it in a review of a gig at Ronnie Scott's earlier in June 1965, required nothing more of an audience than “a pair of ears educated enough to appreciate simple swinging jazz.”
As for their English counterparts, there is no suggestion whatsoever of an uneven playing field. Whether on alto or tenor, Peter King sounds as authoritative and commanding an instrumentalist aged 25 as he now does as a septuagenarian veteran, while Stan Tracey, in the triple-role of accompanist, soloist and composer, gives yet another masterful display of his world-class talent. Hindsight also provides moments of revelation in the cases of both King and Tracey; the former comes across as far more rounded, less bop-centric player than many of his contemporary critiques allowed, and Tracey, especially in his careful, playful improvisation on Flaming June, shows a musical restraint that at times sounds more Basie- than Ellington-like.
Although the session and its backstory are very much part and parcel of the Golden Era of British jazz, and of the whole Zeitgeist of the early years of Ronnie Scott's club, the music on Al and Zoot In London itself stands very much on its own timeless merits. But then Cohn and Sims had never chased fashion. Interviewed by Max Jones in Melody Maker in summer 1967, a few months before this album was released, Zoot Sims observed how his and his partners preferred style had begun to sound “kind of mainstream” when compared to the pioneers of the avant-garde. At the time, fierce debate was raging in the pages of the jazz press about whether the idiom itself was dying, a victim of the scorched earth explorations of the new wave. Jones asked Sims if he thought the music was on its way out. His answer was as characteristically unpretentious as his playing; “I always say one thing: jazz has been dying for 70 years and it's going to last a lot longer than the record we're making now.”
Fifty-years on, that record is back, alive and kicking and sounding as good as ever.”
Simon Spillett
Simon Spillett is the author of The Long Shadow of The Little Giant: The Life, Work and Legacy of Tubby Hayes (Equinox Publishing Ltd. 2015)
1. Shoft (Cohn)
2. Haunted Jazzclub (Tracey)
3. Zoot's Tune [a.k.a. Fast] (Cohn)
4. Cockle Row (Tracey)
5. Pete's Tune No. 1 (King)
6. Flaming June (Cohn)
7. Mr. George (Cohn)
8. Pete's Tune No. 2 (King)
Al Cohn (tenor sax); Zoot Sims (tenor sax); Peter King (alto sax, tenor sax); Jackie Sharpe (tenor sax, baritone sax); Stan Tracey (piano); Rick Laird (bass); Jackie Dougan (drums)
All themes were arranged by their composers
Original sessions produced by Jack Sharpe and engineered by Adrian Kerridge
Recorded at Lansdowne Studios, Notting Hill Gate, London, Sunday June 27th 1965





